Recorded on 05/21/2025

Volatility & Vision: Liz Ann Sonders on Navigating Markets & Economy

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Recorded on May 21, 2025.

Cresset was pleased to host Liz Ann Sonders, Chief Investment Strategist at Charles Schwab, for a timely and insightful conversation on today’s market dynamics and what may lie ahead. With oversight of more than $10 trillion in client assets, Liz Ann is one of the most respected voices in the investment world, known for her data-driven perspective and accessible explanations.

Highlights from the Discussion:

  • Mixed Signals in the Economy: Liz Ann outlined the conflicting data coming from leading vs. coincident indicators, emphasizing that the current environment defies simple classification. While some areas of the economy show resilience, others signal caution. She described this as a “rolling recession” playing out across sectors rather than a single downturn.

  • Investor Sentiment & Market Behavior: Despite market strength, Liz Ann noted that investor sentiment remains unusually negative. She pointed to this disconnect as both a reflection of uncertainty and a potential contrarian indicator that markets may still have room to run.

  • Fed Policy & Rate Expectations: While rate cuts may be on the horizon, Liz Ann cautioned that they could arrive in response to softening economic conditions—not necessarily a bullish sign. She emphasized that the path of inflation, particularly in sticky components like services, will be critical to watch.

  • Investment Strategy: In terms of positioning, Liz Ann stressed the importance of balance and quality. She recommended tilting toward factors like strong free cash flow, healthy balance sheets, and earnings stability. Rather than making broad asset class bets, she advocated for more nuanced, factor-based investing.

  • Structural Trends & Long-Term Shifts: The conversation also explored macro shifts including deglobalization, supply chain reorientation, and demographic headwinds. Liz Ann highlighted how these forces are reshaping the investing landscape and should be considered in long-term strategic planning.

Liz Ann’s thoughtful analysis and pragmatic approach offered clarity during a period of uncertainty, reinforcing why she remains one of the most trusted voices in the industry.

About Liz Ann Sonders

As Chief Investment Strategist at Charles Schwab, Liz Ann has a range of investment strategy responsibilities spanning from market and economic analysis to investor education, all focused on the individual investor. She analyzes and interprets the economy and markets on behalf of Schwab’s clients. The output of Liz Ann’s work is via written reports, audio and video recordings, webcasts and social media. She is the cohost of the On Investing podcast and a regular contributor to Schwab’s publications and a keynote speaker at many Schwab client events and external conferences.

In 1999, Liz Ann joined U.S. Trust—which was acquired by Schwab in 2000—as a Managing Director and member of its Investment Policy Committee. Before U.S. Trust, Liz Ann was a Managing Director and Senior Portfolio Manager at Avatar Associates (1986-1999), an original division of the Zweig/Avatar Group. She is a regular guest on Bloomberg TV & Radio, CNBC, CNN, Yahoo! Finance, Fox Business News and the Schwab Network. She was a regular panelist and guest host on PBS’s original Wall $treet Week With Louis Rukeyser and is a frequent guest on Bloomberg Wall Street Week. Liz Ann is a column contributor to the Financial Times; and is regularly quoted in financial publications including The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Barron’s, Financial Times, MarketWatch and Associated Press articles.

Liz Ann has been named to the “Power 30” by SmartMoney; best strategist of the year by Kiplinger; one of the “25 Most Powerful Women in Finance” by American Banker; among the “50 Top Women in Wealth” by AdvisorOne; and one of the “IA 25” by Investment Advisor, their list of the 25 most important people in the financial advisory profession. She has been named to Barron’s Magazine “100 Most Influential Women in Finance” every year since the list’s inception; and recently was named to Forbes’ 50 Over 50.

In 2005, Liz Ann was appointed to and served on the President’s Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform, President Bush’s bi-partisan tax reform commission. In 2008 Liz Ann was honored by the Girl Scouts of New York as an “Exceptional Role Model for Young Women.” From 2007 through 2019 Liz Ann served on the national and CT chapter boards of directors for the Make-A-Wish Foundation. In 2020, she joined the board of trustees of the Nantucket Boys & Girls Club, where she serves as Vice Chair.

Liz Ann received her B.A. in economics and political science from the University of Delaware and has served on its Investment Visiting Committee since 2000. In 2013 Liz Ann was inducted onto the University’s “Alumni Wall of Fame” and gave the Winter Commencement Address in 2014 for which she received an honorary doctorate degree. She received her M.B.A. in finance from Fordham University’s Gabelli School of Business.

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Liz Ann Sonders

Liz Ann Sonders

Managing Director, Chief Investment Strategist, Charles Schwab & Co., Inc.

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